voici ceux qui luttent contre l'armee francaise. ceux que vous appelez patriotes mais qui sont tout simplement le peuple de CI. --- Lifongo Vetinde <lifongo.vetinde@lawrence.edu> wrote: > Monsieur Liotier, > > Comparaison n'est pas raison. Il est > indéniable qu'il y a des > guerres civiles en Afrique et les Africains > s'entretuent. Mais de là à > tenter de justifier le massacre des manifestants à > Abidjan c'est de > faire montre d'une mentalité impérialiste malade. > Vous vous appuyez sur > l'infâme loqique qu'emploie le très guérrier > président américain (en > panne de raison pour attaquer l'Irak) pour justifier > le massacre des > Irakiens: "Saddam Hussein opprimait et tuait ses > concitoyens(fosses > communes à l'appui)moi aussi je peux le faire pour > les "libérer". Comme > quoi, il s'est assigné la mission de continuer > l'oeuvre de Saddam et le > peuple irakien est doublement victime. > La France peut se permettre de tuer autant > d'Ivoiriens chez eux > parce que ces derniers sont engagés dans des > quérelles intestines qui > tournent parfois au drame? Voulez-vous dire que la > CI aurait le même > droit d'intervenir en France et de tuer des Français > s'il y avait des > tensions en Corse? Vriament, "La raison du plus fort > est toujours la > meilleure" nous avait appris La Fontaine. > Monsieur Liotier, le massacre des innocents > par qui que ce soit > est un acte ignoble et je trouve votre tentative de > justifier ce que la > France vient de faire en CI tout simplement > scandaleuse. Les > agissements du gouvernement français en CI sont > indéfendables. Quand > est-ce que la France (l'Occident en général) va > laisser l'Afrique > tranquille? > > > Livet > > > > Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:46:50AM -0800, John Tra > wrote: > > > >>Qui te dit que les ivoiriens s'entretueraient ? > > > > > > Par exemple Human Right Watch, une organisation > Américaine qu'on ne pourra donc > > pas accuser de partialité en faveur des Français > et qui nous fait dans le > > rapport "Accountability for Serious Human Rights > Crimes Key to Resolving > > Crisis" paru en Octobre le bilan de ce qui s'est > passé. Il y en a pour tout le > > monde : > > > > > http://hrw.org/backgrounder/africa/cote1004/index.htm > > > > VIOLATIONS BY IVORIAN REBEL FORCES > > > > The Forces Nouvelles have also attacked and killed > civilians suspected of > > supporting the government or ruling political > party, enemy combatants and > > officials and, more recently, suspected rivals and > their supporters in clashes > > between two rebel factions. In 2002-2003 Liberian > and Sierra Leonean fighters > > allied to the MPIGO and MJP committed numerous > abuses against civilians in the > > west, including killings, rape, and systematic > looting of civilian property. > > All Ivoiran rebel factions have frequently > recruited and used child > > combatants.6 The New Forces presently exercise > military, economic, and > > administrative control over some fifty percent of > the country. Several notable > > incidents involving rebel factions are as follows: > > > > # MPCI forces summarily executed over fifty > gendarmes and members of their > > families in Bouaké in October 2002, and executed > dozens of other government > > officials, government supporters, and members of > civilian self-defense > > committees in other locations in the north and > west. > > > > # Members of the Ivorian rebel groups and Liberian > recruits allied to the MPIGO > > group were responsible for the summary executions > of dozens of Ivorian > > civilians in the west, including at least forty > civilians killed in Dah village > > in March 2003. > > > > # In 2002-2003 Liberian fighters linked to the > former government in Liberia of > > Charles Taylor and allied to the MPIGO rebel > groups systematically looted the > > property of civilians around Danané, > Zouan-Hounien, and Toulepleu and committed > > numerous executions and other serious acts of > violence against civilians. > > > > # Some 100 people were allegedly executed or died > in detention in and around > > Korhogo in June 2004 during clashes between > supporters of rebel leader > > Guillaume Soro and rival counterpart Ibrahim > Coulibaly. > > > > VIOLATIONS BY GOVERNMENT AND PRO-GOVERNMENT FORCES > > > > During the internal conflict from September 2002 > through January 2003, and > > during the political impasse that has followed, > Ivorian state security forces > > and other pro-government forces, including > government-recruited Liberian > > mercenaries, frequently and sometimes > systematically executed, detained, and > > attacked those perceived to be supporters of the > rebel forces based on ethnic, > > national, religious and political affiliation. > Militia groups, tolerated if not > > encouraged by state security forces, have engaged > in widespread targeting of > > the immigrant community, particularly > village-based Burkinabé agricultural > > workers in the west. > > > > Violations of human rights and humanitarian law > committed by state security > > forces and their associated militias include > summary executions, political > > assassinations, torture, rape and other sexual > violence, violations of medical > > neutrality, the wanton destruction of civilian > property, physical attacks and a > > crackdown on the press, and the use of child > soldiers.4 > > > > Since 2000, the government has increasingly relied > on pro-government militias > > for both law enforcement and, since 2002, to > combat the rebellion. During the > > conflict in 2002-2003, the Ivorian government's > policy of encouraging civilians > > to form self-defense committees and participate in > security tasks such as > > manning checkpoints, and their failure to hold > them accountable for abuses, has > > contributed to the growth and impunity of these > groups in Abidjan and the rural > > areas. Drawn mainly from youth supporters of the > FPI, these groups are a > > lightly-veiled mechanism to intimidate and abuse > members of the political > > opposition and those, who by virtue of their > religion, ethnicity and/or > > nationality, were thought to oppose the government > (most notably Muslims, > > northerners, and West African immigrants mostly > from Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali, > > and Guinea). > > > > Since 2002, thousands of militant youth, the > majority from Gbagbo?s Bete ethnic > > group have enlisted into the state security > forces, including the gendarmerie, > > police, and military. Some of the more militant > members of these institutions > > simply refuse to obey orders from their superiors. > This leads to a rather > > confusing picture with respect to the security > forces responsible for recent > > abuses, especially given that perpetrators > sometimes don?t wear identifying > > insignia. Their numbers, estimated to be in the > tens of thousands, could easily > > exceed the numbers of the national army or > combatants from the Forces > > Nouvelles.5 > > > > Several notable atrocities allegedly committed by > Ivorian security forces and > > other pro-government forces, are as follows: > > > === message truncated ===> Web site: Liste Afrique > :http://listes.univ-lyon1.fr/wws/info/afrique > For Help: > <mailto:sympa@listes.univ-lyon1.fr?subject=help> > To Subscribe: > <mailto:sympa@listes.univ-lyon1.fr?subject=subscribe > > afrique> > To Unsubscribe: > <mailto:sympa@listes.univ-lyon1.fr?subject=unsubscribe > > afrique> > To Post: <mailto:afrique@listes.univ-lyon1.fr> > > ===== "A Black Belt is a White Belt who never quit" Aikido.
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